Episode #16, "Voluntarily Subjecting Yourself to Rejection," is now available for your listening pleasure in the places and the apps.

On this episode, Catfish and Carl welcome their friend, Natalia, to the show. Listen as they discuss the endless cycle of hope and rejection as it applies to performance art. They'll ask the age-old question, "Why do we do this to ourselves...?"

Do they have any answers? Are there any embarrassing stories? Who speaks French, and just how good are their recipes for toast? There's only one way to find out.

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