Episode #13, "Generic Dance Workout (Mainly to Latin Beats)," is now available for your listening pleasure at all the finest podcasting locations.

On this week's ep, we talk about exercise and well-being with our friend and second EVER guest, Michelle! She's a Generic Dance Workout* instructor here in Tucson, and even more challenging, a friend of Catfish's for 20 years. Yet, somehow, he's never been to one of her classes (and probably doesn't even know her middle name (what a jerk!))

Listen as we talk about those Presidential Fitness Challenges that all the coolest kids failed in the 80s (thanks, Gipper!) And Carl and Catfish shed the final shrouds of anonymity on air and reveal their surnames. Have fun, blackmailers!

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